joel_rosenberg ([info]joel_rosenberg) wrote,
@ 2008-11-06 14:57:00
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Listening to Juan Williams . . .
. . . on MPR, this afternoon.  He was, understandably, still kind of moist about the Obama victory, which wasn't a surprise.  Me, I was thrilled to hear that Jack Markell was elected governor of Delaware, becoming the first Jewish governor there, and I only know a little less about Markell* than I think many Obama's supporters know about Obama's policies**. 

What got my attention, though, was his take on the lack of the "Bradley Effect," where he said something very much to the effect of how we now knew that white people wouldn't "sneak" into the voting booth and vote against a black candidate that they said that they'd vote for.

I thought that kind of got it backward.  I think the lack of the Bradley Effect shows that, by and large, white folks who are willing to vote against a black candidate -- or, at least, this black candidate -- or for a person of pallor running against a black candidate -- or, at least, this black candidate -- are willing to say that they are to an anonymous interviewer.

How far we've come.

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* I think Markell is a guy; I'm sure he's a Democrat and Jewish, and lives in Delaware.

** "Are you more for Obama's policy because he's pro-life? Or because he thinks [we] should stay in Iraq and finish this war?"



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[info]wombat_socho
2008-11-06 09:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm still trying to figure out how it's racist when 40% of white people don't vote for the black guy, but when 90% of the blacks vote for the black guy, it isn't. And how do Latinos factor into this?

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[info]davidwilford
2008-11-07 01:21 am UTC (link)
Meh. The first time around more than I'm willing to cut black voters plenty of slack given our nation's history. (What, wasn't being freed by Lincoln enough? Who knew?) And considering that Latinos also turned out in big numbers for Obama (including Florida, no small thing that) it seems that breaking the minority barrier is transitive for other minorities as well. And women went big for Obama also, even after many women were disappointed by Hillary Clinton's narrow loss to Obama in the Democratic caucuses and primaries.

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[info]mrmeval
2008-11-07 12:08 am UTC (link)
I have been experiencing flashbacks to a number scenes from scifi novels during this entire election process. None of them bode well for us.

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[info]huladavid
2008-11-07 06:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you explain?

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[info]mrmeval
2008-11-08 12:50 am UTC (link)
I match up what I've seen the poly ticks talk about to scenes I read in novels.

"Road to Damascus" Linda Evans A neo-bolo novel. After a brutal alien attack is thwarted a party that sounds quite familiar wins a landslide using I think every dirty trick possible. It gets very dark after that. This story is what could happen if the people who took office had zero restraint. This combines the worst of French, German and Russian history. It ends on a happy note with most of the planet's economy devastated an illiterate generation and a triumphant resistance.

"Wolf Time" Lars Walker His story is solid well written. He uses stories the background 'noise' to display a host of libertarian and conservative horrors.

There are others but those two are the freshest.

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[info]fixnwrtr
2008-11-07 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I heard a black man from Missouri on talk radio and he said he was ashamed of the black people because they were voting for Obama simply because he's (part) black and haven't the faintest idea of what he stands for or who he really is. That just proved the point. How sad.

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